. >>> melissa, here we go again. the gop has a strategy to hold the economy hostage. does that make any political sense? >> it does for them. look, we heard it from ryan directly. which is we are without real political power, right? they've got a majority in the house, but exclusive there. there are three branchs of government, they are one house and three branchs and minority overall in the government. so what they have to deal with are not real chips. what they have are these sort of moments, these opportunities that emerge. and, so, for them, political, the idea is, okay, debt ceiling should be a no-brainer. it should be easy to use. what we are going to use an opportunity to get what we want because there isn't any capacity to deal real governing. >> now, chris, even newt gingrich who was the author of the strategy in the '90s, he said this morning it's a dead loser for the gop. take a listen. >> they've got to find, in the house, a totally new strategy. nobody's talking about, okay, here comes the debt ceiling. i think that's, frankly, a dead loser. in the end, you know what's goin